[External] : RE: OpenSSL project is considering to close this mailing list

Thomas Dwyer III thomas.dwyer at oracle.com
Fri Mar 17 16:11:02 UTC 2023

Job has articulated this much better than I could have ever done. Please 
do not close the list. It has been and continues to be my primary 
learning vehicle for OpenSSL functionality, its APIs, and its 
evolutionary progress. While my contributions to the list have been 
minimal, the knowledge that I receive from it is immeasurable. It has 
quickly become obvious to me who the experts are here and which names 
immediately catch my attention as someone to whom I should pay 
attention. These emails are delivered passively right to my inbox where 
I read them along side everything else. If this content moves to github 
where I have to proactively go search for it, I will probably just stop 
paying attention.


On 3/17/23 07:51, Job Cacka wrote:
> You have at least a half dozen excellent reasons to continue to support this mailing list, but my case is unique to those previous reasons so I will add it into the mix.
> In my career (IT Manager) I support many users and applications that use OpenSSL of various implementations. In developing a sane and business oriented support system with a focus on securing our data I discovered it was necessary to learn more about the technology behind SSL/TLS. To "self-learn" something requires a person to know what they don't know. An email newsgroup is a way to help facilitate learning what I don't know in bite size chunks that allows me to retain that knowledge. I might read a question by Bob, Bill or Sam that makes me realize there is a gap in my own knowledge base. Then I might read a response by Tomas, Ralph or Martha that explains the issue in ways I hadn't previously considered. This is the classical educational model at work. It is based upon healthy discussion of the topic. In this mailing list you have a large enough discussion group to maintain this on a regular, daily basis. Please don't through it away.
> I would postulate a few things.
> First, by even mentioning the dissolution of this list you threaten the long term viability of this list. It would have been better to first look to the members of the list to solve the real problems in the list. What are they?
> Second, the trickle of quality information delivered to the inbox from a mailing list is difficult to duplicate in other ways (this is a reason they are still used effectively). One could argue RSS is a replacement but it is one switch away from being turned off.
> Third, by turning off this list you will lose any participation you might have gained from those of us in the weeds. I won't have time to search through github on a regular basis. I barely have time to read the 10-15 quality emails I get from the list a day.
> Keep the list. Keep your non-expert users/admins. Keep educating people in the weeds on how to clean up the areas they find themselves in and let us know how to help.
> Thanks,
> Job Cacka
> -----Original Message-----
> From: openssl-users<openssl-users-bounces at openssl.org>  On Behalf Of Olivier Mascia via openssl-users
> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2023 7:08 AM
> To: openssl-users<openssl-users at openssl.org>
> Subject: Re: OpenSSL project is considering to close this mailing list
> Hello,
> Closing the users (openssl-users) mailing list might not be a good idea.
> My personal case: as a developer who happens to use OpenSSL (and not an OpenSSL developer), I certainly wouldn't have time and interest to have a look to new ongoing discussions through dedicated web resources.
> On the general matter: email is an *old* technology on the Internet, one of the oldest for sure, if not *the* oldest, telnet set aside.  It has issues, in relation with its age, which are expectable, acceptable and manageable.  Does this make it evil?  Is replacing email, with countless different web-based forums, groups, systems, of all sorts, really the next invaluable evolutionary step?  Well I may have grown too old, just like email, to see the obvious advantages of loosing my remaining time "online", visiting countless of various sites, systems, authenticating myself here and there, just to grab the flow of communications which, before, were conveniently delivered straight to my door (my email inbox).
> --
> Olivier Mascia
>> Le 17 mars 2023 à 11:04, Tomas Mraz<tomas at openssl.org>  a écrit :
>> Hello all openssl-users mailing list contributors,
>> as the focus of the OpenSSL users and developers community is now on
>> the OpenSSL project GitHub page [1] we are considering closing this
>> mailing list. We would like to move to using Issues [2] and Pull
>> requests [3] in GitHub to discuss topics and ask questions related to
>> using and developing  OpenSSL in a single location as this provides
>> better tracking and searching and we believe this will help us serve
>> our community better.
>> We would still keep the mailing list read-only so the archives of the
>> discussions are not lost.
>> We are seeking input on this potential change if you are currently
>> actively contributing on openssl-users mailing list discussion and you
>> believe such a change would substantially reduce your participation in
>> the project.
>> [1]https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/openssl/openssl/__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!K4UZ7iGcB4Hqfn5xl4NHcFJmfTk-ukYmIV3mc_KEXghGOW6359smr42cPImIRjJyG9syGPxyhgEcYQ$  
>> [2]https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/openssl/openssl/issues__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!K4UZ7iGcB4Hqfn5xl4NHcFJmfTk-ukYmIV3mc_KEXghGOW6359smr42cPImIRjJyG9syGPw4hxmZTQ$  
>> [3]https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/openssl/openssl/pulls__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!K4UZ7iGcB4Hqfn5xl4NHcFJmfTk-ukYmIV3mc_KEXghGOW6359smr42cPImIRjJyG9syGPx1cb7mgw$  
>> Kind regards,
>> --
>> Tomáš Mráz, OpenSSL
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