Being socially aware

Dr Paul Dale paul.dale at
Tue Sep 17 06:07:11 UTC 2019

I’m not disputing the great effort put into this.
My dispute is that it should be under the openssl list command…..

I agree, this shouldn’t have been a “good first issue”.

Dr Paul Dale | Distinguished Architect | Cryptographic Foundations 
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Oracle Australia

> On 17 Sep 2019, at 3:49 pm, Richard Levitte <levitte at> wrote:
> ...  or how our usual style of dispute can sometimes deter help from
> the community.
> In this PR, there's a lot of discussions going on, a bit back an
> forth, about the right way to do things, and what does what like what
> other thing and so on.
> This is often our modus operandi, and it has often given us pretty
> good quality code (or at least, so we hope), even though it can be a
> bit exhausting at times.
> I would like to emphasise that I think this is absolutely fine...
> when it's among us who have been along for a bit, perhaps have come to
> know each other a bit more and have some kind of sense of our
> respective strengths and weaknesses, or even with someone that has
> shown they can handle this type of discussion.
> However, in pull requests like the one cited, where the associated
> issue is marked "good first issue", and the author has done quite well
> what was asked from the issue, it can be quite unexpected, not to say
> overwhelming to be met with this discussion style that could be seen
> as getting out of proportion.  A "good first issue" is supposed to be
> a bite size thing after all, and I fear that if this is how we welcome
> new contributors, they might more often than not choose to step away
> from it all.
> So maybe let's be a little more careful with contributions for "good
> first issue" and potential newcomers, yeah?
> Cheers,
> Richard
> -- 
> Richard Levitte         levitte at
> OpenSSL Project

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